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gregg1961
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 Posted - Sep 10 2009 : 2:20:48 PM
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Ok Best. Keep in mind that every good conservative can spout off just as long a laundry list of the evils of the left. Will mudslinging and regurgitating party line rhetoric accomplish anything? Nope. Do they continue to do it every day on the hill? Yup, from both sides.
Look, I'm sorry that the only conservatives you get to deal with are on the fringes. I've said before that I would hold myself up as an example of the mainstream right (not sure they would want me, but that is a different story). I'm not a corporate greed monger or a red neck. Like I said, I never really even listened to Glenn Beck until this thread got going and when I did I didn't hear anything that would keep me coming back. I do find it fascinating that someone who almost no one on the boards admits to listening to could become the topic of a 17 page and counting thread. That has to be some kind of record. I also want my country back. Hmmmm... Since that is something we both want maybe the problems, and the solutions, are not exclusive to the right or the left. |
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ketchup is a vegetable
Advanced Member
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Posted - Sep 10 2009 : 11:50:24 PM
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I've never watched Glen Beck but I am up very early this morning after falling asleep at 6pm last night and was flipping the channel and came across the show. I thought I would watch it to see what all the fuss is about. I don't know anything about any of the inappropriate things he's said and done in the past. Right now he is interviewing and showing videos that a young woman produced. She went into acorn and asked how she could get financial assistance to get a house to setup business as a prostitute. Acorn is very helpful, even telling her how to lie to the IRS. The video was absolutely astounding, with Acorn even being ok that she would have minors working for her. A judge came on and listed all the laws Acorn violated.
Nothing he said was focused on democrats, the president or the left. He was focused on the improper and illegal activities at Acorn which seemed reasonable to me. I am sure he aired the story because of Acorn's ties to the left, but the story seems to have merit to me anyhow.
I don't expect to be a regular viewer because I hate biased media, but he seems less ridiculous than Olberman who I watched a few times and was just mudslinging with no real news value. This story was news-worthy. I'll probably check out his website to see if any stories like this are going to be aired and watch those.
I only saw the last half of the show and probably only saw some of the video. Here is a link which currently has this story on the front page with what I believe is a video link:
http://www.glennbeck.com/
Ok, he did just show a video of the president like there was some issue when there was not, but the previous story was very good and troubling. |
Miles commuted via bicycle - 2009: 1,808.8
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Edited by - ketchup is a vegetable on Sep 10 2009 11:56:07 PM |
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bae
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 12:00:43 AM
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I was surprised how long it took for someone on the forums here to mention the breaking ACORN/prostitution/sexual slavery/child exploitation/immigration/tax fraud/housing fraud issue.
I love seeing our tax dollars at work like this.
Could be worth a thread.
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peggy
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 06:40:19 AM
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| Yea, I heard about that. Apparently this "journalist" went to several Acorn offices before he could find two incredibly stupid women to go along with this. So it wasn't really Acorn who sanctioned this but a couple of dumb women. Saying Acorn is behind this is like saying because a plumber screwed up your faucet, the United Plumbers of America screwed up your faucet. |
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ketchup is a vegetable
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 07:47:42 AM
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Peggy, that is one difference between democrats and republicans, at least on these forums. When a republican does something stupid like sanford, even the republics jump on board and say how bad it was. But the democrats on this forum rather than being outraged by such horrible actions find a way to make it seem like it's the republicans fault or that it's being overstated. We might see a few comments just to prove me wrong now, but if I said nothing I am sure we would see more responses like yours.
Yes Acorn is responsible if they are given federal money and two of their people are using it to help support illegal activities. If they can't take responsibility for their people they shouldn't be given the money - it's as simple as that. This is not someone stealing a pencil here, they were giving advice on how to be more discrete about forcing minors into prostitution. It's disgusting and some law enforcement should investigate to make sure it's not a pervasive culture. There has been much talk about regulating corporations, how about regulating and auditing non-profits responsible for spending federal $. |
Miles commuted via bicycle - 2009: 1,808.8
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notaclam
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 08:20:22 AM
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Originally posted by notaclam
[quote]Originally posted by Beststash
I find it disingenuous that many so-called conservatives like to distance themselves from the Beck, Limbaugh, Palin etc. that do the dirty work for their party and all the while trying to claim the moral high ground.
I don't.
However, I do not claim they represent everything I believe.
Proobably, if I had to guestimate I would say maybe, about half of what I believe?
There are areas I agree with them. I agree with some things democrats say..so?
Bad Democrats are RARELY a topic of discussion in this forum.
Its almost as if they do not exist..?
I mean, unless they do something so outrageous that noone could defend it.
Even then, if their bad behavior is discussed it is one time.
No discussion of the broader implications or ethics of the bad behavior.
Limbaugh, Beck, are portrayed, by the objective non-biased press, as the voice of the Republican party.
Which they are not.
They analalyze the news, AP/reuters=liberal bias, and make it entertaining.
They are no more the voice of conservative/libetarian/Republican than John Sterward the voice of liberal democrats.
http://img.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/02/rangel.jpg
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PMR4TbT7pZU/RXLnOMfdXFI/AAAAAAAAABU/zJP_civOZ0Q/s320/JohnEdwardsandKerry.jpg
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savealittle
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 09:10:16 AM
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Originally posted by ketchup is a vegetable
Peggy, that is one difference between democrats and republicans, at least on these forums. When a republican does something stupid like sanford, even the republics jump on board and say how bad it was. But the democrats on this forum rather than being outraged by such horrible actions find a way to make it seem like it's the republicans fault or that it's being overstated. We might see a few comments just to prove me wrong now, but if I said nothing I am sure we would see more responses like yours.
I don't recall anyone here blaming Republican's for Blagojevich's or Burris's actions.
In another thread though, I did read someone offer Obama's "bad numbers" as justification for Wilson's "liar" outburst.
I think as a party - Democrats are more critical of party members. That's something that many consider to actually be a party weakness - that the Republicans are more likely to hang together.
So, I don't see much basis in reality for this observation. |
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ketchup is a vegetable
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 10:04:10 AM
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Originally posted by savealittle
Democrats are more critical of party members.
That is why I dropped my democratic party membership - lack of tolerance towards those with slightly different beliefs and a tilt towards extremism. I keep hoping the moderate republicans and moderate democrats jump ship and start a third "moderate" party since the moderates have more in common with moderates in the other party than the extremists in their own party. |
Miles commuted via bicycle - 2009: 1,808.8
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Edited by - ketchup is a vegetable on Sep 11 2009 10:05:24 AM |
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Beststash
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 12:35:50 PM
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Originally posted by notaclam
[quote]Originally posted by notaclam
Bad Democrats are RARELY a topic of discussion in this forum.
Its almost as if they do not exist..?
The reason you don't hear about Democrats much is because they are all mellowed out and seldom get excited about anything but gay rights, women's rights, senior rights, working people's rights, and seldom worry about business rights - it makes the conversation much more pleasant. It's kinda like they are more worried about working people than business 
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gregg1961
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Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 1:34:49 PM
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Originally posted by Beststash
The reason you don't hear about Democrats much is because they are all mellowed out and seldom get excited about anything but gay rights, women's rights, senior rights, working people's rights...
Healthcare? |
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ketchup is a vegetable
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Sep 12 2009 : 01:08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Beststash
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Originally posted by notaclam
[quote]Originally posted by notaclam
Bad Democrats are RARELY a topic of discussion in this forum.
Its almost as if they do not exist..?
The reason you don't hear about Democrats much is because they are all mellowed out and seldom get excited about anything but gay rights, women's rights, senior rights, working people's rights, and seldom worry about business rights - it makes the conversation much more pleasant. It's kinda like they are more worried about working people than business
Peace
Yes, they are too busy helping people. Just look at the Acorn video for an exmple of working people's rights. That wouldn't have been possible without the stimulus money provided to Acorn. I guess job creation was the goal. |
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Edited by - ketchup is a vegetable on Sep 12 2009 01:11:06 AM |
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Freein05
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Sep 12 2009 : 07:01:49 AM
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The reporter who wrote the following article could not find any money going to ACORN. The main reason is the Republican insisted non-go to ACORN but the Big Republican donors like Halliburton probably got a few million. Why do we go after ACRON for political influence peddling and big corporations and even countries like Israel get a pass. Israel has more influence in Washington than ACORN could ever have and gets billions of dollars in tax payer money.
"But going one step further on this subject, the $2.25 million provision that was in the original Senate bill has disappeared in the deal that was worked out between three GOP Senators and Democrats last week.
There is no mention of "neighborhood stabilization" anywhere in that version of the bill, which will be approved on Tuesday by the Senate.
I read through the mishmash of provisions about housing, but didn't see anything that looked like the maybe-ACORN-maybe-not-ACORN language.
So is there Stimulus Money for ACORN?
http://wsbradio.com/blogs/jamie_dupree/2009/02/stimulus-money-for-acorn.html
I'm going to stick with my original answer. No.
Could some money still get to ACORN? I'm sure that's possible.
Then again, money in this stimulus bill could get to just about anything." |
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notaclam
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Posted - Sep 12 2009 : 08:17:17 AM
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Originally posted by Freein05
The reporter who wrote the following article could not find any money going to ACORN.
Its probably all made up but there are all kinds of info on ACORN getting Billions. Google: billions acorn.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/special-editorial-reports/ACORN-got-53-million-in-federal-funds-since-94-now-eligible-for-up-to-8-billion-more-44406217.html
ACORN is one nut in a whole tree.
I think it is obvious what is going on here.
THey are just one part of the free for all money give away that seem to all have a general theme.
Half the simulus has little, if anything to do, with actual simulus.
Health care, in its present form, is a get the government claws into "the people" at any cost and any means.
Its not actually about helping the "poor or disadvantaged"
Its about exploiting them for political advantage.
Else, why wouldn't they just give the 1-10 million who can't afford coverage health accounts or tax credits... NOW.
Why turn the whole health care upside down?
Why create 54 new BARRACKracies?
Why not fix the major problems one or two problems at a time?
Any actual good, I don't think it will be good but, it would take 2-4 years to take effect. 2-4 years to help "the poor" who need it now?
Its just like those "green jobs" that are supose to help the poor?
Or,"shouvel ready" jobs in general.
Where are they?
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Freein05
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Posted - Sep 12 2009 : 1:08:45 PM
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Notaclam the Washington Examiner is a Fox news brother. It is a rag. As stated in the link I posted the Republicans would not let any money go to ACORN. The far right is using ACORN to get at Obama. They have done a lot of good work in the past. People who believe this trash also saw pink elephants last week.
The right is trying to use Obama's work with community organizing as a hammer against him. What is wrong is community organizing? |
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ketchup is a vegetable
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Sep 13 2009 : 05:09:03 AM
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| Free, your source is a blog that doesn't appear to be any more reasonable. |
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Anyone boycotting Glenn Beck's sponsors?
